From Dallas Marathon Winner to Chairman: Logan Sherman's Running Journey
Logan Sherman - DFW Running Talk
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Chris Detzel: [00:00:00] Welcome to DFW running talk. I'm Chris Detzel. So let's get started.
Chris Detzel: Thank you everyone for tuning in to another DFW running talk. I'm Chris Detzel, and today we have a special guest, Dr. Logan Sherman. He is a doctor of chiropractic. Logan, how are you today?
Logan Sherman: I'm good. How are you?
Chris Detzel: I'm good. You told me not to say doctor, but I still did.
Logan Sherman: I'll let it slide this one.
Chris Detzel: I appreciate it. Look, you've been in the Dallas Metroplex for a really long time, and you've been doing a lot of running and things like you've run marathons, half marathons. And as a matter of fact, as looking at your bio and I'm quite impressed, you've run, and I know that you were the chairman of the board on the Dallas marathon, right?
Yeah it completely gets me off when you say, sir, but, ~ ~but you've also won the Dallas marathon. And I remember when you did that, I think that was 2015. Is that right? Yes. ~ ~And you've won several others, but how'd you get into running? What was [00:01:00] your motivation back in the day?
Logan Sherman: I was born here in Dallas and my dad was a really big runner. His dad, my grandfather had died of a cardiac incident. And so my father was just huge in a fitness. And my mother, ~um, ~obviously raised the three of us. I've got two older sisters here in Dallas. And Really, throughout my journey of being a child and kind of going through a divorce of parents and things like that, I actually was a little overweight and so I was picked on in, in elementary school and middle school.
And in fact, one of my best friends, his nickname for me was was jelly roll. And so I was a big kid, but I love to run, you put me out there and I kinda had a, I kinda had a passion for it. I just didn't really have a way to express myself in those early years, besides a few small races.
And I. ~ ~Really wanted at a particular time in my life. I wanted to kind of bond with my dad and really through that it was running and that was his real [00:02:00] big thing. That was a kind of a way to get to his level. And he got me into several different sports. I played soccer.
I wasn't really good at soccer. I played. Hockey, which is one thing that I really played for played a long time got me into baseball.
Chris Detzel: Was this in high school or middle school or
Logan Sherman: this was really elementary up into high school. And I still hold a record at my middle school in football.
I was I played the zero hour. I was the third string zero hour. So like the benchwarmer basically, and coach put me in and I had the opportunity, I was playing safety, which, don't know a lot about football. I love it. But I had the perfect opportunity to pick a pass. ball was thrown right to me, into my hands and I dropped it.
So I, go down to the middle school record our dream football player, the quarterback is like, that's my contribution to the middle school, but
Chris Detzel: dropping a pass.
Logan Sherman: Yeah.
Chris Detzel: Potential interception.
Logan Sherman: Um, I didn't really have the outlet for running and really until we got a little bit more into middle school.
And so one [00:03:00] time during PE and middle school I had enjoyed running, I was still a bigger kid, the PE teacher, I got in trouble. I got in trouble for talking during class. And so coach holiday, he was a very memorable person in my life. He said Sherman, he said I'm either going to give you a detention ~ ~or next class period.
You got to run two miles. ~ ~I'm like shoot. I don't know. I don't know if I can run two miles during class period, but I'd rather run two miles than my dad. Find out that I got a detention for talking during class. ~ ~And lo and behold, the next class period came about and I was mad and I didn't want to get in trouble.
And I just was so competitive that I ran the two miles pretty quick. And I actually think I went a little bit further ~ ~coach holiday ~ ~without telling me calls my dad and he goes. ~ ~Dr. Sherman, my dad, I ~ ~think your son's going to be a runner. He got in trouble for talking too much and I made him run two miles during class and he ran it fast.
So that's like my joke about how running started. I actually, yeah, I got in trouble. And so that was my punishment. And I I have a [00:04:00] lot to owe coach holiday, but that's great.
Chris Detzel: Two miles.
Logan Sherman: And I still remember the track, it's right in my neighborhood now. Um, he pushed and moved me towards running coach holiday.
He saw my dad really wanted it. And my dad connected me with Terry Jessup, who was a really big member of my life. He's he was my club, cross country coach track and cross country coach all the way from middle of middle school, all the way through when I won Dallas just really instrumental in my early years of running.
And there's so much thought process about running and building a training program and how to properly train that I learned from Terry Jessup. And so I owe him a lot. One of Terry's favorite things to say is the first time he met me at his camp, he looked at me, he looked at me and he was like, ~ ~I think he turned to his wife.
He's what am I supposed to do with this fat little kid? I just, I wasn't athletic. I wasn't his norm. He was used to the,
Chris Detzel: top
Logan Sherman: of the top athletes and I was overweight, but I had a strong work ethic. And so he would say. Hey, I [00:05:00] want you to run six or 10 miles.
Most of the time I'd run 12, and just always anything I could do to please, Terry was a huge objective of mine. And so, Terry wrote my training program and really made me understand how to build a proper training program. And Terry if people know running, there's several different people out there that wrote, write programs, but he was very big on the literate system.
And author later was really big in the eighties. 70s, 80s, and so Terry actually. Had a great relationship with him in person. And so Terry brought a lot of that high mileage, high volume, high intensity training and so I fed off of it and I knew from the beginning that, that I wanted to do long distance running.
And that the longer it got, the more I like to hurt, the more I like to dig deep, the more I like to reflect. And through my dad, through Terry, I met a lot of people who had been involved, who had won Dallas marathon. And I knew this was this backyard marathon. I got a little bit more, interested into it.
And so [00:06:00] about my freshman year of high school, I was still doing hockey and I was running but, or sorry, I was, I think I was in eighth grade. So I was in the middle school, but I was running with the high school kids. Did you get pretty fast
Chris Detzel: then? Did you lose a little bit of weight by then or not
Logan Sherman: yet?
I started losing weight really with Terry's program with mileage. All those miles,
Chris Detzel: it makes sense.
Logan Sherman: Coincidentally, a lot of things in my life changed. I was, had a big lack of focus. I, was acting out in class as you heard earlier, talking and, trying to be funny.
And so I went from, pretty poor grades to basically straight A's for a little bit. And it was really, the only identifiable thing was running. And I focused a lot of my attention and energy into it. And then, ~ ~as Terry would tell you, got in trouble with the girls, he'd be like, why do you work out so bad? And I was like Terry, I ~ ~was out way less. Yes,
Chris Detzel: Carol.
Logan Sherman: It's always the girls, Logan. He And as a freshman in high school playing hockey, I was [00:07:00] running wasn't quite sure which direction I wanted to go, but I, I was also having some heart issues.
And so I was having this arrhythmia of my freshman year. And so dad took me to a cardiologist and I got checked out and I got. I got a couple things looked at for about a six month span. I got the echoes. I got the stress test. I got the halter monitor. I got, I had everything and everything was negative.
Everything said, Hey, you're fine. ~ ~And so anyways we'll touch up on that later. Cause ended up in college, ended up having they found the arrhythmia. After about five years and ended up having an ablation. For most of my high school years, I dealt with that, but just didn't want to be the boy who cried wolf over this cardiac issue and the fact that when you're running, your heart
Chris Detzel: was hurting a little bit and you just try to deal with it,
Logan Sherman: it wasn't pain.
It definitely was. A little bit more of a palpation a palpatory thing. And so heart rate would skyrocket. And so we had it up into kind of the low two hundreds at one particular time. And so you, the heart, the way I [00:08:00] always explained it, it felt like the heart was pumping so fast.
None of the tissues can get oxygen. And so you get a little faint and weak. And basically I would just pump the heart rate. I never passed out, but I'd get into a part where maybe I get down, put my head between my knees and let let blood flow, get back to my head.
But as a freshman though, I got sorry, in middle school, I got brought up to run with a high school team during the BMW doubt during the Dallas marathon, white rock Dallas marathon at the time on the relay. And man, that was the coolest experience. Just, When you get to go race like
Chris Detzel: that at a place, it's really cool.
And especially as a
Logan Sherman: freshman, I'm sure. Yeah. And just, when you're young and you just don't know you're running on grasses or, grass fields or tracks, but they're on the streets of Dallas and the big buildings and, everything that Dallas does, I fell in love with it.
Yeah. It really made me, we talked earlier, I wanted to be a distance runner and Dallas really became the bullseye for me in those early years. I knew, Hey, I wasn't going to run a [00:09:00] marathon, 16, 17 years old. I knew it was going to wait a little bit, but that became some type of infatuation I had.
I would go home every year, and the day after Dallas Marathon, I would go in and I'd cut out the newspaper article of the, top ten in the paper, and I'd put it up in my bathroom years and years I'd have all this data, you've been thinking about it
Chris Detzel: for a long time, as a kid.
Logan Sherman: ~ ~ There's nothing more special to me than like a hometown marathon and, gosh, when I was in a, baby carriage and a stroller, my mom would push me to watch my dad finish Dallas Marathon. It just, there's something cool about it. And I think they do.
And your dad ran the
Chris Detzel: marathon several times then.
Logan Sherman: He was a big runner. And so he he definitely wasn't a part of the first Dallas, but he did it for, I think, eight or 10 years in a row. And bounced around and did all of them. ~ ~So ~ I'm trying to look at my notes and see where I was on it,~ but definitely fell in love with A& M.
I went to JJ Pierce or sorry, fell in love with Dallas Marathon. I went to JJ Pierce all four years and ran. And just [00:10:00] really started pushing myself and pushing myself. And I knew I was going to run in college. I found such a passion for it. I knew that was the next step.
And then And so as a senior in high school, one of my favorite, not my favorite stories, but one of the biggest stories was I was at the regional meeting. So you go district, regional, state. And at that particular time and for a, there were certainly, the eight of us that were tracking to make it to state.
It was the same weekend as prom. And so you go back to Terry's girls but it was the same weekend as prom. And so we went up there on a Friday night was the two mile was a 3, 200. And it was a huge storm. And in fact, the race kept getting delayed and delayed. ~ ~And so finally, probably about two, three hours of waiting.
We got a call from the coach and he said, Hey, y'all just, Go home, go back to your house, rest up. They're going to, I'm going to stay for a meeting. They're going to figure out how they're going to start running this thing in the morning. ~ ~And so ~ ~I go home [00:11:00] on our way home. We get a call and he says, Hey, what they're going to do is they're going to, they're going to pick up where they left off.
And so they left off. You're going to have another hour and a half before you get to run the two mile. And so we go home ~ ~and I think I went out and did dinner and get up the next morning and we make our way all the way up to Denton at UNT ~ ~and I'm walking into the track and I see the competitors, the people that the race I should have been in are all super sweaty.
Like what just happened? Did I miss something here? And Sure enough we ~ ~find out after the fact that when my coach had left, a few coaches brought up the fact that people that were going to do exactly what I was doing and several other distance kids do, they run the 3200 and then they come back and run the 1600.
They thought they needed a little more time between. And so they said, Hey, why don't we, instead of starting where we left off, just go ahead and start with a 3200 meter. [00:12:00] Start where we left off and give more time between the two. And we had to do a petition to the UIL, which ended up being, my first political poll and, questioning of how, they should have alerted anybody in the 32, they should have called coaches or done a roll call.
And UIL was great. I went down there, it was like a, I explain it like a court tout. Style hearing where, they heard our side, we heard their side and there was some, moderator in the middle that basically ~ ~said, Hey, We made a mistake. We're sorry.
What we're going to do is we're going to do an unprecedented ninth runner in the UIL state meet. And ~um, ~this fire, this exhaustion of going through this, but there was a fire lit underneath me that I was like, Hey man I want to go out there. If they're going to put me in, I gotta prove myself.
~And ~
Chris Detzel: ~so ~
Logan Sherman: I went out and. Ended up ended up was fortunate enough to win and set a state record. And that's one of my favorite stories of the time was just, kicked down and, All the stuff that kind of came in and [00:13:00] everybody made it right on both sides.
And, the second place guy is phenomenal. He just couldn't have been a better sport about it. I'd probably be a little upset if, you had the chance to win if they didn't have nine runners and they just had the eight, he would have won, but he w he was great.
And, I think all of us worked together in that race to, to make it so special.
Chris Detzel: I love that story. Wow. See, I bet you've never even told the story on a podcast.
Logan Sherman: I have not told that story on a podcast. ~ ~Before, before senior state meet cross country I remember going down driving down. I was like, man, I don't feel good.
And my dad was like, you're fine. ~ ~I was like, I'm pretty sure I don't feel good. And somebody just brought this up the other day which jogged my memory, because I completely forget about it, but get to the hotel room in, in, outside of Round Rock on Friday night before the Saturday state meet, and I am at like a hundred and three degree fever.
Oh my gosh. Never get sick before in my life. You're just 103. I'm like, my bones are breaking. Like dad, I got to go to the hospital. Something's not right. And looking back, it probably [00:14:00] was a flu, but, ~uh, ~sweating, fever, chills, all that stuff. And so ~ ~he ended up I'm pretty sure I took a bunch of Tylenol and I was like that next morning.
I was like, oh, I feel good. Like I, the fever might've I guess broken and then, the first time you have something like that, you're like, man, that zaps your energy. And it didn't finish well at state. So coming back on the track season on the track side of things, it was nice to
Chris Detzel: redeem yourself.
Logan Sherman: Yeah. Make a positive move into it. Also that, that senior year of high school was my first attempt to run Dallas half marathon. So 2003, Dallas used to always have just a marathon and relays, but it was really just the marathon. And so 2003, they opened a half marathon and my dad turns to me and he said, ~ ~Do you want to run this?
You run your long runs or 15, 14, 14, 15, 16, 18, do you want to just run it for fun? I was like, oh, sure. I'll go run it. And he I got in trouble. I think I was out past curfew or something like that the night before the race and, just wasn't doing what I should [00:15:00] be doing.
So he and I are. He's mad the next morning. And so he I'm in bed. I'm like, I've still got my like Abercrombie shirt on and my jeans on. I'm like sleeping. And he comes in the room and he's you got 45 minutes. So we got to leave. You should get up and start moving around. I don't think I heard him the first time.
And the second time he comes in, he's Hey, you got 30 minutes. Like you're going downtown to run a half marathon. Like you should probably start moving. ~ ~I think I'm pretty, I know I heard him that time. I'm like, dad I'm okay. I don't think I should run today. I'm tired. And then he comes in 15 minutes later and this is like the greatest life lesson.
He grabs me by the foot, pulls me out of bed. And he says, I'm going to teach you a lesson. When you give somebody your word that you're going to do something and you're going to commit to it, you're going to do it. And we go downtown, ~ ~I get on my running clothes I was so mad, didn't listen to a single thing on the ride down, we just didn't talk to each other, we get to the, to downtown, ~ ~and we get to the [00:16:00] parking lot, and he coaches me through, it's my first time running a half marathon, something this long, and coaches me through it a little bit, and anyways we He was
Chris Detzel: running the marathon that day.
Logan Sherman: He was not running. He was just taking me down there to spectate. But he was going to stay at the start finish, back then the technology of the trackers and all that stuff wasn't nearly what it is today. And so ~ ~I remember I started and. ~ ~I was so mad. I was like, I'm going to take off and I'm just going to run north back to Richardson.
I'm just, he's going to stay at home. He's not going to know where I'm at. ~ ~And ended up getting out with the lead pack and then, I'm building off this frustration and ended up with the lead pack. And at the point where the marathoners and the half marathoners go, ~ ~I'm like shoot, I'm in second.
Like I, I need to either get serious. And so it's down Swiss at that point. So you did an out and back down Swiss and I could see the guy and I knew exactly where he was and it was a guy that came down from Oklahoma and ~ ~ended up, turning on the on the afterburners. I think I ran a one 11, which is a very fast first half.
But yeah, I won, the Dallas for my first [00:17:00] marathon. And again, it was like, oh man, like this is where I want to be when I win.
Chris Detzel: Yeah.
Logan Sherman: I want to win Dallas Marathon. This is what I want to do. And just the community and the people I met through that was great. And moved off.
I went to Texas A& M ~ ~and I ran there. I did. A lot of it takes a lot of learning when you go from being ~ ~Good in high school and then you go to college. There's a big difference between 18 and 22
Chris Detzel: A lot of people are faster than you ~ ~Sure,
Logan Sherman: a lot of people are just great athletes. I mean they just ~ ~and I think the hard part is like you go from Being in high school and workout being a workout to a workout being an actual race And so you're racing everybody Every day of every week.
And just struggled a little bit with the college at the beginning. And the coach and I butted heads a little bit. And so I went over winter break and I went back to really work for me, which was Terry Jessup's training program. And so over the winter break, I took his training plan and [00:18:00] brought it with me and that base that I built with it.
And I. Was able really the only thing I did that was exceptional at A& M was my freshman year I went to pin relays. I ran a 29 41 on the track 10 K. And at that time, I don't know, remember exactly. It was, I think it was a fourth fastest. Time at Texas A& M. It's really fast.
Chris Detzel: Now they're running 26 isn't whatever, but
Logan Sherman: still ~ ~it is getting a lot faster nowadays, really poured a lot into running and that 29 41 was really the only thing I did that was good.
I've just struggled through the rest of college. I had I had some hard difficulties with some relationships just with friendships and some relationship stuff and
Chris Detzel: life gotten away a little bit, that's the way it is
Logan Sherman: And it happens and, it just sometimes it takes a little bit of time to dig out of it.
And really, gosh, I was second to last at, nationals one year. Just really, this trajectory, you think it should be just linear, just went from, ~ ~and I hit kind of rock bottom through, through most of [00:19:00] college struggled a little bit with the hard stuff and, again, had that surgery and that probably had a little bit to do with it.
When did you have that
Chris Detzel: surgery? Was it like a junior, sophomore? What?
Logan Sherman: The surgery was in 2005. I remember September of 2005. In fact I remember laying in the hospital bed and it was right when Hurricane Katrina was so it's just a quick surgery. It's a day procedure. You get in the morning, they go in there and ablate the area and then, you're out of the hospital that night.
But I, I think there are a lot of people that. End up having that just get a little bit worried about trying to get their heart rate up too high They have a little fear of it. And some of my peers and coaches had thought that might have been just you know that and Just I wasn't in a good headspace through most of college, just
Chris Detzel: yeah
Logan Sherman: And so
Chris Detzel: you're figuring out life, so
Logan Sherman: college is not a bad place to figure out life, but yeah, you
Chris Detzel: know what I mean? Like, things happen, right? You get in relationships or maybe you're not doing as well in school as you want. It all messes with your head. And if it starts messing with your head and [00:20:00] running, because, you're a very good athlete, it's going to mess with it.
Logan Sherman: And I have a lot of good people in life that really, helped walk me through there and but yeah, after a and M I, I I ~ ~wasn't quite sure what I wanted to do, but I had a great chiropractor that was at Texas a and M we brought in, he did dry needling, he did active release technique, he did the adjustments and I was like, I like what this guy does.
He takes his time with you. He can do he evaluates you, he does muscle work, he explains everything. I was like, this is the type of chiropractic, I think if this is what I want to do, this is what I want to do. And so I would shadow him. I shadowed him for my last few years before I was like, Hey, when I leave A& M, I'm going to go, I'm going to go to chiropractic school.
Back in Dallas. And after I worked for a little bit at some of the running stores through the area, I worked at Luke's, I worked at run on pretty much all the way through high school and in college, but particularly in that time, and I took some of the classes I needed to be able to do to get into chiropractic school.
And this is ~ ~trying to think when I think 2009, I started at a Parker [00:21:00] university chiropractic school. And at this moment in my life, I had, gotten back into road racing and Terry Jessup and I would meet again and we would talk and we would draw plans. And. Through this whole time, I had always just come back in the winters and run Dallas marathon.
And I would come back in February and I'd run cowtown marathon. And at that moment I had, I'd actually won cowtown half And I had come back I think I think cow town half was the only thing I'd wanted that particular time. But cow town was expanding. Dallas obviously was expanding the races.
And so I really started to work towards that mission of, Hey, I want to win Dallas. And so through chiropractic school, I put a lot of that focus into it and did my first marathon in 2010, which was Dallas marathon ~ ~and back then. There used to be a prize purse. There used to be, canyons that were flowing.
So ~ ~I would, I ran my timelines all mixed up, but [00:22:00] I think I ended up 5th, but I was 2nd to Keith Pierce, who was the 1st American. He and I ran together the whole time. And about halfway through, I turned to Keith and I'm like, Man, this is easy. You and I are just hanging out. I'm gonna go, man.
I feel good. And Keith's Alright, man. ~ ~He passes you later. Go around the lake, and I'm running, uh, normal, good clip. And we start hitting the Winstead hill on the back end. I'm like, damn,
Chris Detzel: my
Logan Sherman: calf, my captain. ~ ~And so I'm stopping and walking and running, stopping, walking and running, and probably a mile.
We were close to downtown. We were on the fringe of downtown. And Keith runs by me just at a, normal clip. And I think I ran two 21 high that year. And Keith was right around two, two 21 low to 20. It's still
Chris Detzel: right there.
Logan Sherman: For a first marathon and, just a lot to learn, but you just take your punches where you get it.
But
Chris Detzel: It's a great marathon time for your first,
Logan Sherman: And I've chased it ever since, that's ~ ~naive is just great. It's not knowing what you're going to get yourself into is almost the strategy in and [00:23:00] of itself. After that, I was like, Pretty quickly, I was like, Oh man, I'm going to run over and do Fort Worth.
I'd like to, I'd like to see what I got. I feel fit. I want to see if I can run faster. And so I went over to Fort Worth, Cowtown and ended up, fortunately I was able to win the full there.
Chris Detzel: It's one of my favorite races. I love Dallas, but Fort Worth Cowtown is one of my favorites.
I've done that like 10, I've done the half. I don't do fulls too much, but Yeah, it's a great race.
Logan Sherman: Heidi has done a phenomenal job. Heidi the race director there has really Built up that race. I took a little bit of a hiatus after I got married and won the 50 K there because my birthday and our anniversary is right around the same time, but I went back last year and she's done such a great job at course activation, getting these areas of the course, Fort Worth has a really good, they bring the community out, they have a really good.
Feel to it. And they basically branded the feel, which is, that kind of country, Fort Worth how do y'all type feel? Yeah, they do. And they've embraced that and they've done an extra, you go into downtown
Chris Detzel: and you [00:24:00] smell the cows and everything else, and so
Logan Sherman: run through the stocky yards and Yeah, that's right.
It's just, it's TCU, the golf course. It's great. I think yeah, I think she's, they've done a phenomenal job out there. ~ ~At that same Dallas Marathon, though, I met Marcus Greenwald, who's the Executive Director of Dallas Marathon, and fortunately, as Chairman of the Marathon now, I'm, able to work really closely with him.
Man, the guy is just a genius. He's got over 20 years of experience, and I've never seen somebody so calm, cool, and collected under pressure. ~ ~I'm, I think before that first marathon, you used to have the tag that you'd put on the shoe and
Chris Detzel: I've
Logan Sherman: laid out all my stuff, but I left the tag at home and I go to Marcus and I'm like, Hey man, like I'm freaking out.
Marcus is dude, man, the race is in five minutes. You're going to be fine. ~ ~I'm like, all right, Marcus, I'm freaking out, man.
Chris Detzel: Yeah, he's great. So let's go back to because I definitely want to get to where you are today from a Dallas Marathon [00:25:00] standpoint, but you run Dallas Marathon and, that was one of your big goals to win it.
So tell me about that in 2015. Yeah,
Logan Sherman: 2015, um,
It's funny. I,
Chris Detzel: by the way, you have this great photo of holding your hands up and just being, like it was awesome, like anyways,
Logan Sherman: it it's really, ~ ~it hits a deep tone now, that, those, most of those days are behind me. I've put in years and years of a hundred plus miles a week.
And I've always wanted to be a father. I'm forever grateful. That I've got two beautiful little girls. I got, I miss racing, but I wanted to be a father. And so I'm happy I was able to hang it up and get that get that behind me and contribute in other ways. But yeah, 2015 was epic.
Went out there can't believe I'm forgetting it was a great race. He ended up dropping out. I'm blanking on Ed Swiatoka's son, Jonathan Swiatoka. And I were streamlined to be head and head on this on this battle. And like I had told you before for about [00:26:00] 16 years, I'd wanted to win Dallas.
And I knew that there was a really good opportunity in my fitness on that year and everything coming about, I had just left a practice that I was working at and dealt with a little bit of a turmoil with that. I was starting my practice. And so I was in the mixed of all this Chaos, which kind of goes back to some of the other races I had.
And, to be able to focus in and have one thing in front of you that you wanted it was just nice. Cause I think I just threw the blinders on, didn't focus on pain. I just knew, Hey, I wanted this. I've got so much other stuff going on. And Went out there and it turned out to be a great race.
Two 27, it's not my fastest time at that time. It was probably one of the slower Dallas marathons. So to, for somebody to win, but felt a huge sense of pride in crossing that a huge weight lifted off my shoulders and I love what it's done. The community in at large has embraced these local winners and, you've got people running [00:27:00] around White Rock Lake and Katy trail and you can see somebody, Joseph Hale, has won it twice.
You can see a Keith Pierce, all these phenomenal people that are embedded in our community are here instead of somebody that's just coming to get a check or something like that. And so I think that's one thing we've done. And I don't want to say me. I wasn't on the board.
I wasn't on that committee. But I think it's, I think it's really great. These people that can be local heroes for some of your, our younger athletes, which is exactly what I had, growing up here, I had gotten to know Ernesto, Dr. William Moore, who's my daughter's, pediatrician, all these people that are local heroes to me back in the day when it was probably a little, that's why I told you back in the day when it was a little tougher to win, but it's pretty cool.
And we've really embraced that with with trying to support everybody here.
Chris Detzel: No, it's look the running community is booming here in Dallas, Dallas, Fort Worth area. And, so I appreciate you telling that story now you do come back in [00:28:00] 2016 and you got second place. I saw this video and you were just like, look like excited, because maybe you maybe knew it was, I don't know, like this one guy beat you look like, and then I don't know what happened there.
Like you looked excited at the end.
Logan Sherman: Funny thing is so that was Keith Pierce. So my first, very first marathon, Keith Pierce beat me. Somebody, we ran the whole 13 miles in that first marathon together. And I was like, Oh, I got this. And he, he came back with his wisdom. And so in 16, um, I remember they treated me super well.
I gotta go out with the, line up with the elites up front. And I remember ~ ~going and getting behind the start line, when they start pushing the elites back to make sure they don't cross the line. I look back, I'm like, Keith Pierce man, he hasn't raced in, he hasn't raced in a while.
Yeah, I haven't heard of him in a while. I knew he had triplets like, what's going on and Shake his hand. I talked to him. We chat for a little bit. I didn't ask him what he was running I didn't know I didn't know if he was out there for fun or the half or the relay and so
Chris Detzel: You didn't know you were [00:29:00] competing against him.
Logan Sherman: I had no idea and so You know, in Dallas, the unique situation that we have with the beginning is you have your half marathoners, you have your marathoners, you have your ultra marathoners, and you have your relay people. And so everybody is starting at the same time. And you, you really have to have your head on a swivel to know who is in the lead and who's in which group.
Cause if you're a marathoner, you don't want to go out with those half marathoners. You want to let them go. And, you just need to make sure and so it's a different, it's
Chris Detzel: a different level when thinking of kind of that being that fast,
Logan Sherman: You get a lot of that upfront vision. You're able to see what's going on, which is great, but you just, you got to get in front of somebody to see their bib.
And keith Keith had actually snuck out. And so Jonathan Swiatoka and I were running close to close. We were running them neck to neck through most of it. And probably right when we got into Lakewood, M street area, I've started to take off a little bit and I'm like, Oh man I'm in the lead.
This is great.
And ~ ~I probably got to, we got to the lake, which was [00:30:00] probably mile 13. 13 or 14 and I had a friend ~ ~who turned to me and he was like, Hey, you're doing great. You're in second. ~ ~What are you talking about, man? No way. I don't know where the lead cyclist is, but I don't think I'm in second.
And so I get a little further up and I see my dad. I'm like, Hey dad am I in second? He's no, you're in first.
Chris Detzel: Oh no. I'm
Logan Sherman: getting bad information. Sure, sure enough, we get a little further out and Somebody says, Hey, you're in second. He's got a minute and a half on you. Oh, shoot, man.
I'm at mile 15. Like a lot of ground to make up. ~ ~And so you go from being on a high to being like, I got to book it. And so changing gears in a marathon when you're running, this was shit, 15 or 16. Yeah. And you're going at a pretty quick clip. And so I dropped the gear down a little bit.
Started catching up time and catching up time. And by the time we got to Swiss which was probably about four or five miles out from the finish at that time, 21 22 somebody's Hey, you're [00:31:00] doing great. You closed the gap. You're at 30 seconds. I don't know if I can do another 30 seconds in five miles.
Chris Detzel: 30 seconds seems like ~ ~pretty tough, because he's not really slowing down, it sounds
Logan Sherman: he will admit that if the race was probably another half mile, he probably would have had a lot of toughness. And so I think it ended up being about 20 or 25 seconds. And he just ran a smart race and, Keith is just a genius.
And he came back the next year, he won it again. And it's one of those things I really wanted, you, your goal is to win, which was 2015, but I really wanted to, ~ ~I really wanted to win twice, and if I won twice, I probably would have been like, Hey, I want to win three times.
Chris Detzel: Exactly.
Logan Sherman: It was a great kick in the butt to be like, Hey, like, you did your thing. And I got a, man, I was emotional. I teared up and they had brought me up on TV to talk about what Dallas meant to me and how much, it meant to see Keith and Keith being a father of triplets and what he did.
And, I'm so proud of him, but I was also like, I [00:32:00] wanted it. And he, I just don't know what I don't know why, but I was like, Hey, I want to be on the board of Dallas marathon. I want to spread this and I want to be able to, that was my next question. I'm
Chris Detzel: like, I love how you just go in it.
Go ahead.
Logan Sherman: I just, I was just verbal, mom. And I just basically was like, I want to do the next thing that I can do with this race. Like I won I'm very content there. I'm very content on running. I want to do the next thing. And Jerry Rosansky, he's been on the board for a while.
He was actually About to be chairman. He reached out to me and said hey logan are you serious? Do you want to be on a board? I'll think ~ ~Yeah, I want to be on the board and so I went through a couple rounds of interviews and got everything ready and ~ ~I got brought on the board that 2017 ~ ~and man It I just stepped in that room and all these board directors, you have so many people that I've gotten introduced to over the years from my father.
And so you have Chuck Danis. Chuck Danis used to run the Danis Racing Series, which was a huge running series. They probably had [00:33:00] 10 or 12 races throughout the year. And depending on how you placed. At the end of the year, he'd tell you up in your age group and you get a special medal. And so he was a really great great person.
Gosh, I don't want to leave out any names, but you have Reva Raul, Dr. Raul, who's won Dallas Marathon. She was, she's in the room. I'm trying to think who else at the time. I'm just. I don't want to leave off any names because they're all so important. But man, I just was in this room of deer and headlights.
I was, I wanted everybody's autograph. I was like, man, that's so cool.
Chris Detzel: That's great.
Logan Sherman: And ~ ~It taught me a lot. I had been on student on the student body at Parker University, and I got to learn a lot about working with organizations and working with politics but being involved with Dallas especially like the belief they have shown the board.
I'm, I've got to be I would venture to say one of the youngest people to take over this chairman role and the trajectory they made me from 2017 to now [00:34:00] 2024. I've had a lot of great mentors, Jerry Rosansky, Lisa Nelson. I have to thank Hawkeye Mark the radio guy off of a 96.
3, he really led us through he's still part of DRC but he led us through 2020 and 2021. And was really great for me to see how he works things. And then Charles Payton, who I was vice president for And each of these people have a unique perspective and how they are able to handle a situation and really bring out everybody and make the board, make the marathon a greater place.
And remember asking one of my mentors, Bob Hancock who's a board member he was chairman. He was race director. Was he race director at a time that might've been Steve that might've been Steve. But I was like, Hey man, like what is it? What does it take to be a successful, chairman?
I don't know, what's going on here. And he was like I just, like just the natural word of wisdom is [00:35:00] don't be the smartest person in the room and I was like shoot I don't even have to pretend that that's easy. We're good there I got all these smart people.
I think you have to be
Chris Detzel: humble, right? It's what I heard him say or hear him saying there,
Logan Sherman: yeah, and it's nice I mean we're able we have so many unique perspectives. We have so many unique People that have, strengths in certain categories. And we're able to really build off of that, which is great.
And I think really ~ ~it's been a lot of fun and it's been a lot of fun to, to really represent something that to me has always meant a lot. And I want the community to see really what this is. We were the biggest health and fitness event in Dallas. You're, we're inclusive. You can come join us.
It's pretty amazing. Great health and fitness expo. And not only that, we, we give our primary beneficiary is Scottish, for children. And a lot of this I ha I'm very thankful to, to Bob Walker. I hate calling him Bob Walker. I like calling him Mr. Walker, but he doesn't [00:36:00] like that.
But the CEO of Scottish right? Hospital. Yeah. Scottish. Scottish, for children we're very lucky in life to meet people who, without saying a word, without really having to do anything, just make you feel like you are the most important person in the room and that they believe in you and that They know, and they see what success you'll have.
And Bob has just been, Mr. Walker has always just been ~ ~a phenomenal person in my life. And to be a part of this organization that represents Scottish Rite and what the work is that they do at the hospital, and ~ ~I've got children. It provides me a lot of, it gives me the warm fuzzies knowing that this is in our backyard.
I've got patients who it's like, Hey, this is, but you're under 18. You got to go to Scottish Rite. Let's see what they think over there. It's really a, it's just a, it's a blessing that we have this that we have this here in our backyard and that we're affiliated with it as a marathon.
Chris Detzel: I [00:37:00] think it's pretty awesome. And then looking back in the 1970s, I think Tal Morrison started the marathon and maybe there was a few hundred people. Now we have 30, 000 people last year overall with the 5k 10k half and full. Think about that. And you guys are doing a lot of different stuff, throughout the year to continue, keep it keep the momentum kind of going, it's what the team has done over the years.
And then bringing in, people like yourself and Marcus and a bunch of other people, is pretty cool. I love this running community and I'm starting to love Dallas Marathon more and more all the time,
Logan Sherman: I have to give, as you said, a huge shout out to the team.
Jason Shewhart is our president and this is his first year. And I think he has done a phenomenal job. I've really enjoyed working with them. I've enjoyed growing with him. Marcus Greenwald, 20 plus years of experience. We brought in Haley and we brought in Patty. Haley's in charge of our marketing.
Patty's in charge of our community relations and this team. I ~ ~have not. [00:38:00] been a part of many teams in my life. And only four people. Just four people. And that, that, that's up. That we were two to three people for years there. So for 30, 000 people, that's a 30 plus thousand people. That's a big thing to to note that we are working and we've got a great team.
Great group of people that we work with, and then Southwest. There's just so many different, um, different companies that we that we're working with to make this a great safe event.
Chris Detzel: You guys are doing a great job and, Logan, thank you so much for coming on DFW running talk.
So thank you everyone for tuning in to another DFW running talk. I'm Chris Detzel. Please don't forget to rate and review us. Thanks again, Logan.
Logan Sherman: Yes. Thank you.
Chris Detzel: All right.